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 DNA - granica na Odrze, Różnice między Słowianami a Germanami
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Michale,
Ja szczerze mówiąc nieco straciłem zainteresowanie archeogenetyką Okresu Wędrówek Ludów w naszej części Europy.
Bardziej mnie interesują próbki DNA np. Słowian Połabskich, Prusów i z Polski Piastów. I tak prawie nikogo nie obchodzi gdzie mieszkali jego przodkowie 2000 czy 3000 lat temu. Liczy się ostatni 1000-1500 lat, czasy historyczne, powstawania państw w Europie. Kogo obchodzą nieokrzesani barbarzyńcy, o których Rzymianie napisali dwa zdania na krzyż. Natomiast rozumiem zainteresowanie próbkami DNA z dawniejszych czasów na obszarach takich jak Galia i Brytania, których starożytna historia nie sprowadza się do kilku wzmianek.
Polecam lekturę książki "Vistula amne discreta. Greckie i łacińskie źródła do najdawniejszych dziejów ziem Polski" by przekonać się, jak niewiele mamy starożytnej historii.
Kultury przeworska czy wielbarska, nie mogą się równać do Państwa Piastów pod względem cywilizacyjnym, ani pod względem posiadania fascynującej historii.
Sprzed 3270 lat będziemy mieli DNA z bitwy pod Tollense, ale nawet jeśli badanie potwierdzi, że biologiczni przodkowie Słowian mieszkali 3270 lat temu na Pomorzu, to i tak przez kolejne 1300 lat wszystko mogło się zmienić w wyniku szeregu migracji. Poza tym dlaczego zatrzymywać się 3000-3500 lat wstecz? Pójdźmy jeszcze kawałek dalej np. 4500 lat wstecz i wówczas Indo-Europejczycy dopiero wyruszali na podbój Europy ze stepów zachodniej Rosji. 5000 lat temu wszyscy, z wyjątkiem Sardyńczyków, byliśmy Rosjanami.
Ktoś inny powie, że wszyscy jesteśmy Afrykanami a nie Rosjanami. Ale to było o wiele dawniej, bo ok. 100 tys. lat temu.
To, że pochodzimy wszyscy pod względem biologicznym gł. ze Stepu Pontyjsko-Kaspijskiego wiadomo już od pracy Haak 2015:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4JPMYHTZis
Archeogenetycy obalili dominujące w 2. połowie XX wieku teorie o "kulturowej indoeuropeizacji" ludności "Starej Europy".
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Ciekawi też mnie kopalne DNA wielu historycznych ludów niezwiązanych ze Słowianami, np. Taurów (najwcześniejszych odnotowanych źródłowo mieszkańców Krymu).
Ten post był edytowany przez Domen: 8/01/2020, 12:44
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Tutaj osoba o pochodzeniu następującym:
- 8/16 Niemcy z Grudziądza (Graudenz)
- 3/16 Niemcy z Gór Żytawskich i Spitzkunnersdorf (Görlitz)
- 1/16 Międzyrzecz/Brójce/Trzciel/Międzychód/Leszno (Niemcy)
- 1/16 Rawicz (Niemcy protestanccy z Dolnego Śląska)
- 1/16 Północny Sudetenland (Niemcy katolicy)
- 2/16 Pabianice i Jeżów (Polacy katolicy)
Podobieństwa do populacji regionalnych:
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.8% South_Polish + 44.2% North_Dutch @ 1.07
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Ten post był edytowany przez Domen: 5/02/2020, 17:20
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Niemiec z Wołynia:
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Kolejny Niemiec mający 100% przodków z Rejencji Szczecińskiej:
Przodkowie tego drugiego (person #2) pochodzą z tych miejsc:
Ten drugi jest troszkę bardziej słowiański od tamtego wyżej:
Jego wyniki w kalkulatorach Eurogenes K13 i Eurogenes K15:
Eurogenes K13:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.69
2 Baltic 36.35
3 West_Med 11.11
4 West_Asian 7.11
5 South_Asian 2
6 East_Med 1.93
7 Sub-Saharan 1.35
8 Red_Sea 0.33
9 Northeast_African 0.07
10 Oceanian 0.07
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 6.76
2 North_Swedish 7.57
3 Austrian 9.01
4 Swedish 9.51
5 South_Polish 10.19
6 Southwest_Finnish 10.29
7 North_German 10.61
8 Hungarian 10.77
9 Polish 11.79
10 Norwegian 12.42
11 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.45
12 Danish 12.7
13 Ukrainian 12.88
14 North_Dutch 13.06
15 Croatian 13.17
16 West_German 14.41
17 South_Dutch 14.81
18 Orcadian 14.95
19 Russian_Smolensk 15.13
20 Finnish 15.16
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
(...)
6 52% Polish + 48% Danish @ 2.72
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8 52.8% North_German + 47.2% Polish @ 2.78
9 52.7% Polish + 47.3% North_Dutch @ 2.78
10 57.2% Swedish + 42.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.82
11 51.9% Swedish + 48.1% South_Polish @ 2.83
12 50.3% Orcadian + 49.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.83
13 56.2% Polish + 43.8% Orcadian @ 2.83
14 58.1% Swedish + 41.9% Ukrainian @ 2.86
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17 53.8% North_Dutch + 46.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.94
18 54.6% Danish + 45.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.96
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20 59.3% North_German + 40.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.99
Eurogenes K15:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 25.54
2 Atlantic 25.05
3 Baltic 22.57
4 Eastern_Euro 11.9
5 West_Med 6.99
6 West_Asian 5.75
7 Sub-Saharan 1.23
8 South_Asian 0.97
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 6.65
2 Austrian 8.89
3 Southwest_Finnish 9.72
4 Hungarian 9.78
5 South_Polish 10.41
6 North_German 10.98
7 Polish 11.03
8 Croatian 11.23
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.06
10 Ukrainian 12.43
11 Finnish 12.53
12 South_Dutch 13.04
13 North_Swedish 13.3
14 Russian_Smolensk 13.49
15 Swedish 13.93
16 Danish 14.05
17 North_Dutch 14.24
18 Moldavian 14.35
19 Estonian 14.36
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Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
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3 55.9% North_German + 44.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.42
4 53.6% Russian_Smolensk + 46.4% Southeast_English @ 4.44
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6 60.6% South_Polish + 39.4% Irish @ 4.64
7 57.8% Russian_Smolensk + 42.2% Orcadian @ 4.75
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9 58.9% North_German + 41.1% Belorussian @ 4.78
10 59.6% North_German + 40.4% Estonian_Polish @ 4.8
11 50.1% North_German + 49.9% Polish @ 4.81
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14 51.7% South_Polish + 48.3% North_German @ 4.85
15 58.9% South_Dutch + 41.1% Lithuanian @ 4.88
16 59.1% Polish + 40.9% Irish @ 4.89
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18 51.6% Russian_Smolensk + 48.4% North_Dutch @ 4.92
19 50.8% Belorussian + 49.2% Southeast_English @ 4.94
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Ten post był edytowany przez Domen: 7/05/2020, 9:40
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Wyniki Sasa z Transylwanii, którego ostatnio znalazłem:
Eurogenes K13:
North_Atlantic 39.60 Pct
Baltic 25.27 Pct
West_Med 16.14 Pct
West_Asian 6.41 Pct
East_Med 8.05 Pct
Red_Sea 1.75 Pct
South_Asian 0.84 Pct
East_Asian 0.85 Pct
Siberian 0.67 Pct
Amerindian 0.09 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.29 Pct
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 4.48
2 Austrian 4.94
3 South_Dutch 5.22
4 East_German 6.87
5 French 8.41
6 Hungarian 9.34
7 North_German 9.35
8 Southeast_English 10.5
9 Danish 11.33
10 North_Dutch 11.42
11 Orcadian 11.87
12 Southwest_English 12.19
13 Swedish 12.72
14 Irish 12.95
15 Serbian 13.05
16 Norwegian 13.15
17 West_Scottish 13.61
18 Croatian 14.63
19 North_Swedish 15.06
20 Spanish_Cataluna 15.55
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.3% South_Dutch + 24.7% Moldavian @ 1.12
2 74.2% South_Dutch + 25.8% Croatian @ 1.23
3 63.6% Austrian + 36.4% French @ 1.36
4 55.2% East_German + 44.8% French @ 1.43
5 51.7% Southwest_English + 48.3% Serbian @ 1.59
6 67.9% French + 32.1% South_Polish @ 1.69
7 65.2% South_Dutch + 34.8% Hungarian @ 1.79
8 51.5% Austrian + 48.5% South_Dutch @ 1.81
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Eurogenes K15:
Population
North_Sea 27.45 Pct
Atlantic 24.09 Pct
Baltic 14.05 Pct
Eastern_Euro 9.36 Pct
West_Med 11.78 Pct
West_Asian 4.43 Pct
East_Med 5.89 Pct
Red_Sea 1.42 Pct
South_Asian 0.59 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.59 Pct
Siberian 0.16 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.19 Pct
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 27.45
2 Atlantic 24.09
3 Baltic 14.05
4 West_Med 11.78
5 Eastern_Euro 9.36
6 East_Med 5.89
7 West_Asian 4.43
8 Red_Sea 1.42
9 South_Asian 0.59
10 Southeast_Asian 0.59
11 Sub-Saharan 0.19
12 Siberian 0.16
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 4.7
2 East_German 6.12
3 West_German 6.9
4 French 7.09
5 North_German 8.23
6 Austrian 8.39
7 Hungarian 9.25
8 Southwest_English 9.52
9 Southeast_English 10.19
10 Danish 10.8
11 North_Dutch 10.92
12 Irish 11.55
13 Serbian 11.75
14 West_Scottish 12.27
15 Norwegian 12.74
16 Swedish 12.79
17 North_Swedish 13.39
18 Croatian 13.41
19 Spanish_Galicia 13.47
20 Spanish_Cataluna 13.54
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.5% South_Dutch + 32.5% Hungarian @ 1.7
2 79% French + 21% Lithuanian @ 1.7
3 75.7% French + 24.3% Estonian @ 1.71
4 72.3% French + 27.7% Polish @ 1.84
5 54% East_German + 46% French @ 1.84
6 75.4% South_Dutch + 24.6% Croatian @ 1.84
7 76.5% French + 23.5% Belorussian @ 1.85
8 70.6% French + 29.4% South_Polish @ 1.9
9 77.5% South_Dutch + 22.5% Moldavian @ 1.97
10 75.3% French + 24.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.14
11 76.6% French + 23.4% Southwest_Russian @ 2.15
12 76.9% French + 23.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.22
13 72.2% French + 27.8% Ukrainian @ 2.27
14 76.7% French + 23.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.29
15 80.5% South_Dutch + 19.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.29
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Wyniki Szwaba z Banatu, którego też ostatnio znalazłem:
Eurogenes K13:
Population
North_Atlantic 38.44 Pct
Baltic 25.34 Pct
West_Med 17.36 Pct
West_Asian 6.95 Pct
East_Med 9.84 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.33 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.56 Pct
Amerindian 1.05 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.13 Pct
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 38.44
2 Baltic 25.34
3 West_Med 17.36
4 East_Med 9.84
5 West_Asian 6.95
6 Amerindian 1.05
7 Siberian 0.56
8 South_Asian 0.33
9 Sub-Saharan 0.13
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 5.4
2 West_German 5.66
3 South_Dutch 6.83
4 East_German 7.45
5 French 8.74
6 Hungarian 8.85
7 North_German 11.25
8 Serbian 11.74
9 Southeast_English 12.04
10 Danish 13.19
11 North_Dutch 13.29
12 Orcadian 13.66
13 Southwest_English 13.91
14 Croatian 13.99
15 Swedish 14.58
16 Moldavian 14.7
17 Romanian 14.73
18 Irish 14.76
19 Norwegian 14.99
20 Spanish_Cataluna 15.01
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.6% Austrian + 22.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.08
2 74.9% Austrian + 25.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.09
3 79.5% Austrian + 20.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.19
4 76.6% Hungarian + 23.4% French_Basque @ 2.27
5 78.1% Austrian + 21.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.28
6 80.4% Austrian + 19.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.28
7 78.8% Austrian + 21.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.32
8 78.2% Austrian + 21.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.47
9 77.2% Austrian + 22.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.51
10 76.5% Austrian + 23.5% Portuguese @ 2.57
11 78.5% Austrian + 21.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.57
12 78% Austrian + 22% Southwest_French @ 2.61
13 50.3% French + 49.7% Hungarian @ 2.62
14 63.9% Austrian + 36.1% French @ 2.63
15 68% East_German + 32% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.68
16 73.3% East_German + 26.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.71
17 70% French + 30% Ukrainian @ 2.72
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Eurogenes K15:
Population
North_Sea 26.46 Pct
Atlantic 24.65 Pct
Baltic 12.03 Pct
Eastern_Euro 10.96 Pct
West_Med 13.01 Pct
West_Asian 5.43 Pct
East_Med 6.71 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.76 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 26.46
2 Atlantic 24.65
3 West_Med 13.01
4 Baltic 12.03
5 Eastern_Euro 10.96
6 East_Med 6.71
7 West_Asian 5.43
8 Amerindian 0.76
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 5.06
2 French 6.64
3 East_German 7.52
4 West_German 7.75
5 Austrian 8.83
6 North_German 9.62
7 Southwest_English 10.15
8 Hungarian 10.37
9 Southeast_English 10.9
10 Serbian 11.3
11 Danish 11.9
12 North_Dutch 12.29
13 Spanish_Cataluna 12.37
14 Irish 12.6
15 Spanish_Galicia 12.76
16 West_Scottish 13.22
17 Portuguese 13.47
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 13.91
19 Croatian 13.98
20 Norwegian 14.12
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.5% South_Dutch + 28.5% Serbian @ 2.53
2 80.1% South_Dutch + 19.9% Bulgarian @ 2.65
3 52.9% Southwest_English + 47.1% Serbian @ 2.74
4 77.4% South_Dutch + 22.6% Romanian @ 2.74
5 64% Southwest_English + 36% Bulgarian @ 2.92
6 79.4% French + 20.6% Southwest_Russian @ 2.93
7 78.4% South_Dutch + 21.6% Moldavian @ 2.96
8 79.4% French + 20.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.98
9 58.4% French + 41.6% Austrian @ 3.03
10 85.4% South_Dutch + 14.6% Greek @ 3.08
11 60.1% Southwest_English + 39.9% Romanian @ 3.11
12 77.4% South_Dutch + 22.6% Croatian @ 3.12
13 53.9% French + 46.1% East_German @ 3.14
14 78.6% French + 21.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.14
15 76.4% French + 23.6% Polish @ 3.16
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Ten post był edytowany przez Domen: 10/10/2020, 17:42
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^^^ Widać z tych wyników, że Niemcy z Transylwanii i z Banatu mniej wymieszali się z miejscowymi, niż typowi Wschodni Niemcy. Może dlatego te społeczności ani nie zgermanizowały miejscowych, ani same nie zostały wchłonięte, tylko przetrwały jako enklawy przez stulecia.
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To jest dobry temat do badań. Niemcy z podkarpacia całkowicie się zeslanizowali, późno po ostatni zrobili to w XVII/XVIII wieku. Sudeccy znowu niemcy zostali wszyscy wypędzeni z Czech do Niemiec, prawdopodobnie wschodnich. Żal czytać co z nimi robiono, nasze wypędzenie niemców to przy tym najwyższa kultura. No i w końcu niemcy z Siedmiogrodu. Oni tez się jak Czeszcy niemcy nie asymilowali podobno. Tam miasta i wioski wyglądają jak zachodnia europa z ichniejszymi budynkami. Chce tam kiedyś pojechać zwiedzić może się uda jak pandemia minie.
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Na GEDmatch jest osoba pochodząca z Wolnego Miasta Gdańska:
Wyniki w Eurogenes K13:
Kit A573496
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 40.13
2 North_Atlantic 35.38
3 West_Med 9.73
4 East_Med 6.85
5 West_Asian 5.51
6 Amerindian 1.22
7 South_Asian 0.94
8 Siberian 0.24
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 4.99
2 Polish 7.1
3 Ukrainian 7.82
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 8
5 East_German 8.6
6 Southwest_Finnish 8.82
7 Hungarian 9.08
8 Croatian 9.68
9 Russian_Smolensk 10.27
10 Belorussian 10.38
11 Austrian 10.56
12 Southwest_Russian 10.71
13 Estonian_Polish 10.75
14 North_Swedish 10.83
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.12
16 Estonian 12.04
17 Finnish 12.2
18 Moldavian 13.2
19 Kargopol_Russian 14.37
20 Lithuanian 14.51
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.5% Belorussian + 36.5% West_German @ 2.26
2 65.9% Southwest_Russian + 34.1% Southeast_English @ 2.3
3 62.8% Southwest_Russian + 37.2% Danish @ 2.41
4 63.4% Southwest_Russian + 36.6% North_Dutch @ 2.47
5 55.2% Lithuanian + 44.8% West_German @ 2.47
6 80.1% South_Polish + 19.9% Norwegian @ 2.49
7 77.2% South_Polish + 22.8% Swedish @ 2.54
8 64.8% Belorussian + 35.2% South_Dutch @ 2.55
9 80.5% South_Polish + 19.5% Danish @ 2.61
10 65.8% Southwest_Russian + 34.2% Orcadian @ 2.65
11 59.6% Southwest_Russian + 40.4% North_German @ 2.65
12 81% South_Polish + 19% North_Dutch @ 2.67
13 65.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 34.9% Southeast_English @ 2.69
14 67.8% Southwest_Russian + 32.2% West_Scottish @ 2.69
15 59.5% Estonian_Polish + 40.5% North_German @ 2.73
16 62.7% Southwest_Russian + 37.3% Norwegian @ 2.75
17 66.9% Southwest_Russian + 33.1% Irish @ 2.76
18 78.6% South_Polish + 21.4% North_German @ 2.76
19 71.6% South_Polish + 28.4% North_Swedish @ 2.76
20 68.2% Southwest_Russian + 31.8% Southwest_English @ 2.76
Ten post był edytowany przez Domen: 16/01/2021, 12:41
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Pruscy luteranie z kolonii w Australii (z innego forum):
QUOTE(Creoda) A German Australian whose ancestry goes back fully to the notable German settlement in Colonial South Australia in the mid 19th century. This is a quite a rare find, as there would be virtually no unmixed Germans from that old community in Adelaide left now. Although looking at the results maybe it's a stretch to call them German That community were actually Prussian Lutherans, so it makes sense.CODE
1 Baltic 38.46
2 North_Atlantic 34.74
3 West_Med 11.92
4 West_Asian 6.49
5 East_Med 5.1
6 Siberian 1.49
7 South_Asian 0.85
8 Oceanian 0.51
9 Amerindian 0.44
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 4.99
2 East_German 6.81
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.33
4 Ukrainian 7.65
5 Polish 7.76
6 Hungarian 7.89
7 Croatian 8.47
8 Austrian 8.95
9 Southwest_Finnish 9.47
10 North_Swedish 10.76
11 Russian_Smolensk 11.14
12 Southwest_Russian 11.48
13 Belorussian 11.75
14 Moldavian 11.75
15 Estonian_Polish 11.76
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.85
17 Finnish 13
18 Estonian 13.1
19 Swedish 14.29
20 Kargopol_Russian 14.43
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.7% South_Polish + 20.3% Orcadian @ 1.08
2 69.7% Ukrainian + 30.3% North_Dutch @ 1.08
3 81.3% South_Polish + 18.7% West_Scottish @ 1.17
4 80.6% South_Polish + 19.4% Irish @ 1.18
5 81.4% South_Polish + 18.6% Southwest_English @ 1.19
6 69.3% Ukrainian + 30.7% Danish @ 1.2
7 73.6% Ukrainian + 26.4% West_Scottish @ 1.22
8 71.7% Ukrainian + 28.3% Orcadian @ 1.24
9 66.1% Ukrainian + 33.9% North_German @ 1.24
10 72.7% Ukrainian + 27.3% Irish @ 1.28
11 80.1% South_Polish + 19.9% Southeast_English @ 1.32
12 78.4% South_Polish + 21.6% North_Dutch @ 1.37
13 69.4% Ukrainian + 30.6% Norwegian @ 1.42
14 65% Southwest_Russian + 35% Southwest_English @ 1.45
15 78.1% South_Polish + 21.9% Danish @ 1.49
16 78.2% South_Polish + 21.8% Norwegian @ 1.54
17 75.6% South_Polish + 24.4% North_German @ 1.56
18 72.1% Ukrainian + 27.9% Southeast_English @ 1.56
19 73.9% Ukrainian + 26.1% Southwest_English @ 1.6
20 59.6% Austrian + 40.4% Estonian @ 1.63
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_settlement_in_Australia
Ten post był edytowany przez Domen: 25/03/2021, 23:08
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QUOTE(Antoni123 @ 26/03/2021, 7:13) Takie sformułowanie Prussian Lutherans jest po części prawdziwe a tak naprawdę wprowadza w błąd https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewangelicki_K...i_Staropruskiej. W mojej okolicy było 47 kościołów Ewangelickich zostały trzy. Obsługuje jeden ksiądz.
Właśnie w GEDCOM-ie tej osoby widać, że wielu przodków przybyło do Australii z Prowincji Poznańskiej.
Ale mają na ogół niemieckie nazwiska i imiona, tylko w paru przypadkach widziałem polskie i łużyckie.
Inni przodkowie są ze Śląska, Łużyc, Saksonii, Brandenburgii.
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Niemiec z Prus Wschodnich:
(wg. drzewa rodziny wszyscy przodkowie mają niemieckie nazwiska i są z niemieckojęzycznych powiatów Prus Wsch.)
Eurogenes K15:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.08
2 North_Sea 26.83
3 Eastern_Euro 18.27
4 Atlantic 17.98
5 West_Asian 3.33
6 West_Med 2.43
7 East_Med 1.92
8 South_Asian 1.35
9 Oceanian 0.55
10 Sub-Saharan 0.28
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Estonian 5.44
2 Polish 5.64
3 South_Polish 6.2
4 Ukrainian 7.16
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.52
6 Finnish 8.11
7 Belorussian 8.31
8 Russian_Smolensk 8.45
9 Southwest_Finnish 8.46
10 Southwest_Russian 8.88
11 Estonian_Polish 9.24
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.49
13 Lithuanian 10.62
14 East_Finnish 10.7
15 Hungarian 11.54
16 Croatian 12.07
17 East_German 12.12
18 Kargopol_Russian 12.18
19 La_Brana-1 13.01
20 Austrian 13.67
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.5% Belorussian + 32.5% Swedish @ 2.47
2 57.1% Lithuanian + 42.9% North_Swedish @ 2.58
3 63.9% Lithuanian + 36.1% Norwegian @ 2.61
4 61.5% Lithuanian + 38.5% Swedish @ 2.61
5 72.4% Belorussian + 27.6% West_Norwegian @ 2.75
6 63.5% Belorussian + 36.5% North_Swedish @ 2.77
7 66.7% Lithuanian + 33.3% West_Norwegian @ 2.77
8 65.2% Lithuanian + 34.8% Danish @ 2.78
9 70% Belorussian + 30% Norwegian @ 2.85
10 65.7% Lithuanian + 34.3% North_Dutch @ 2.96
11 69.8% Lithuanian + 30.2% Orcadian @ 2.98
12 66.3% Southwest_Russian + 33.7% Swedish @ 3.06
13 79.4% Estonian + 20.6% North_German @ 3.16
14 72.5% Estonian + 27.5% East_German @ 3.16
15 75.2% Estonian + 24.8% Austrian @ 3.22
16 62.8% Lithuanian + 37.2% North_German @ 3.22
17 82.3% Estonian + 17.7% West_German @ 3.29
18 71.8% Estonian + 28.2% Hungarian @ 3.3
19 82.2% Estonian + 17.8% South_Dutch @ 3.3
20 65.5% Estonian_Polish + 34.5% Swedish @ 3.35
Eurogenes K13:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 44.04
2 North_Atlantic 34.31
3 West_Med 6.38
4 East_Med 6.08
5 West_Asian 5.13
6 South_Asian 1.94
7 Oceanian 0.77
8 Siberian 0.72
9 Sub-Saharan 0.45
10 Amerindian 0.18
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Polish 5.83
2 South_Polish 5.86
3 Belorussian 6.9
4 Russian_Smolensk 7.47
5 Southwest_Finnish 7.74
6 Estonian_Polish 7.88
7 Ukrainian 7.9
8 Southwest_Russian 8.35
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.57
10 Estonian 8.58
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 8.77
12 Finnish 8.95
13 Lithuanian 10.83
14 East_Finnish 11.72
15 Kargopol_Russian 11.79
16 North_Swedish 12.43
17 Croatian 12.63
18 East_German 13.23
19 Hungarian 13.24
20 Erzya 14.98
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.8% Belorussian + 25.2% North_German @ 2.68
2 76.7% Belorussian + 23.3% Danish @ 2.69
3 77.3% Belorussian + 22.7% North_Dutch @ 2.9
4 76.7% Belorussian + 23.3% Norwegian @ 2.97
5 73.5% Belorussian + 26.5% Swedish @ 2.97
6 80.4% Belorussian + 19.6% West_Scottish @ 3.1
7 79.6% Belorussian + 20.4% Southeast_English @ 3.12
8 79.9% Belorussian + 20.1% Irish @ 3.12
9 79.3% Belorussian + 20.7% Orcadian @ 3.14
10 81.2% Belorussian + 18.8% Southwest_English @ 3.39
11 61% Southwest_Russian + 39% North_Swedish @ 3.4
12 66.6% Belorussian + 33.4% North_Swedish @ 3.41
13 59.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 40.3% North_Swedish @ 3.44
14 78.7% Belorussian + 21.3% West_German @ 3.54
15 74.7% Estonian_Polish + 25.3% Danish @ 3.57
16 72.7% Estonian_Polish + 27.3% North_German @ 3.61
17 69.5% Southwest_Russian + 30.5% Swedish @ 3.62
18 71.1% Estonian_Polish + 28.9% Swedish @ 3.67
19 79.5% Belorussian + 20.5% South_Dutch @ 3.67
20 74.5% Estonian_Polish + 25.5% Norwegian @ 3.71
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Wszyscy pradziadkowie tego Niemca urodzili się na obszarze obecnego Obwodu Kaliningradzkiego, w tych 6 powiatach:
A - Kreis Konigsberg (Kaliningrad)
B - Kreis Labiau (Polessk)
C - Kreis Ragnit (Neman)
D - Kreis Heiligenbeil (Mamonovo)
E - Kreis Preußisch Eylau (Bagrationovsk)
F - Kreis Friedland (Pravdinsk)
Ten post był edytowany przez Domen: 10/07/2021, 21:49
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