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post 9/09/2005, 21:13 Quote Post

Hello,

I hope that you can understand English. I am British and I can not understand Polish very well.

Are you interested in the Great Northern war (dobie wojnie Polnocnej) 1700 - 1721? I am very interested in this war and I am looking for a Polish speaker who is interested in this war. I want to swap information about the Polish, Lithuanian and other armies & battles in the war.

Would you be interested in doing this?

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post 9/09/2005, 21:57 Quote Post

I am going to find someone from US or England and to talk with him(or her)about history or other things. I have been very interested what people from other countries think abot history of my country.

Unfortunately, I know more about other wars - Great Northern War was one of most sad period in our whole history(like Targowica confederation or Second World War). Poland and Lithuania were only war area, with weak army and no money. Foreign armies were destroying cities(especially Thorn and Cracow), villages had been plundred by Saxons, Swedes and Russians. The great ship named Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth went to the bottom. Polish king Frederick August II (der Starke) the Powerful was removed by Charles the XII after Kliszów battle(1702), where polish hetman Lubomirski fled from the battle's place. Swedish candidate - Stanisław Leszczyński was elected by a few people, but he ruled, where Swedish soldiers were. Charles was defeated in 1709, so August II came back to Poland.

Now, I am so tired, and I will go to bed. I promise to write more tomorrow.

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post 10/09/2005, 0:44 Quote Post

Hello krzystofer,

My name is Nick (Nicholas, I am a 'him' smile.gif Thank you for answering my message.

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I am going to find someone from US or England and to talk with him(or her)about history or other things. I have been very interested what people from other countries think abot history of my country.


I do not know about America but in Britain I am afraid most people do not know anything about the history of Poland sad.gif I would guess that it is the same in America and maybe even worse! Many Americans do not seem to know where Europe is!!!

At school in Britain the only thing I can remember learning, for certain, about Poland is about the Second World War and the recreation of the state after the First World War.

More serious students of history (people who study history to a higher level) will perhaps know a little more but not too much. Maybe something about the partitions of Poland in the later 18th century. Maybe something about Poland because of studying about Gustav Adolphus of Sweden or about Vienna in 1683.

Only very serious students, maybe at university, who are studying the 16th and 17th century will know about the Rzeczypospolitej and the period when Poland/Lithuania was a great European power. Only specialists in Eastern European history will know much about the events of the 18th and 19th century in Poland sad.gif

I think that it is very sad and this is one of the reasons I am here. You see one of the big problems in the English speaking world is that there are not many good books about this period of history. For the Great Northern war there are some Swedish and Russian books but practically nothing about Poland/Lithuania, or indeed Saxony, Denmark and the other countries in the Great Northern war. I want to try to write a book about the whole war, including about the Poles and what the Poles did.

I have a good knowledge of the events of the war generally and I have some Polish books on the war. The best one is 'Wojsko Rzeczypospolitej w dobie wojny polnocnej' by Jan Wimmer. Unfortunately I can not read Polish so it is very difficult and very slow to actually read the books I have. I live in Prague in the Czech republic and so I can speak a little Czech. I use my Czech, a dictionary and the help of my Czech wife to work out what is written (or at least what I think is written).

So I thank you for your short history of the main events of the period but I am trying to find more detail. To continue your account I know for example that after a few years campaigning August II (we call him 'the Strong') drove out the Swedes and their Polish/Lithuanian supporters. But then a 'new war' started between the Saxons and their supporters and the Tarnograd Confederation. This lead to Russian intervention by Peter the Great of Russia & then Poland's problems really started sad.gif

I need more detailed information about the Polish armies and their campaigns during the war. Also about the political events. This is the most difficult for me because it is relatively easy to understand the military events.

Maybe you can help me with this but even if you can not I am happy to talk smile.gif

What periods of history are you most interested in?

Going back to Polish history. I would say that even though most people in Britian do not much about Poland or its history British people have a very positive opinion about Poland and Poles.

You will probably know about the (German?) stories about Polish cavalry attacking German tanks with swords in 1939. I think these stories were invented by the Germans to show how stupid Polish people are/were. These stories are widely believed in Britain! But not because we think Polish people are stupid. British people believe them because they think that the Poles are/were so brave and couragous that they would do this.

It is the same with the whole story of the Second World War. The Polish soldiers and airmen that fought with the British army are greatly respected and widely seen as some of the best fighters we had. The Warsaw Uprising, the campaign of 1939 and even the Solidarity movement later on are all seen as examples of the great bravery and courage of the Poles.

So the Poles are widely respected in Britain, except for maybe when your football team beats our football team smile.gif

Nick

 
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So the Poles are widely respected in Britain, except for maybe when your football team beats our football team.


I forgot to say I come from Wales and Poland beat Wales on Wednesday sad.gif
 
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We are really sorry to hear that. Just kidding.
But any way welcome to the forum.
 
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But any way welcome to the forum.


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Polish king Frederick August II (der Starke) the Powerful


Hwiccee is right Krzystofer. You should "say" August II the Strong.
 
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post 11/09/2005, 7:10 Quote Post

Hi Nick

Good to see you in the Polish discussion list smile.gif
An information for Polish members (informacja dla polskich członków forum): wkrótce ma się ukazać na polskim rynku książka Roberta I. Frosta 'The Northern Wars' (w polskim tłumaczeniu oczywiście), w której porusza się między innymi losy wojny, zwanej po naszemu wojną północną a po angielsku oznaczaną skrótem GNW (to od Wielka Wojna Północna). Książka bardzo ciekawa, pisana z perspektywy historyka żyjącego w kraju, który w tą wojnę nie był zaangażowany. Stąd jej duży obiektywizm (chociaż znam kogoś ze Szwecji, kto jej zarzuca propolskie nastawienie smile.gif).
 
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post 11/09/2005, 23:44 Quote Post

Hi Radek,

I wonder if you would be on this forum - I am glad you are and I a happy to be here smile.gif

About Frost's book. I also think that it is a very fair look at the war. Maybe as you say this is because it is from an 'outsider'.

Certainly it is easily the best look at the war in English. Everything else we have is either very biased towards the Swedes or very biased towards the Russians. The only thing they have in common is that they are all very biased against the Poles sad.gif

I would certainly recommend reading it if you are interested in the war. The only problem is that it is quite short (the part about the GNW). But maybe that will make it easier for Polish reader.
 
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