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Wiemy, kim jest owa DA236 "anglosaska" starozytna finka Finn_Ancient, ktora znalazl Davidski:
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Jest to osoba JK2065 z badania
Ancient Fennoscandian genomes reveal origin and spread of Siberian ancestry in Europe
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Ten of the eleven ancient individuals from this study fall on this Uralic cline, with the exception of one individual from Levänluhta (JK2065), who is instead projected closer to modern Lithuanian, Norwegian and Icelandic populations.

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Jednak nie nalezy do epoki brazu, tylko do epoki zelaza (400-800 CE). Jest pochowana na "saamskim" cmentarzu wsrod osob saamskich autosomalnie.

Wyglada absolutnie germansko, nawet ma mtDNA K1a4a1b, ale ma tez domieszka nganasanska!!!

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Warto zauwazyc, ze Islandczycy, Norwegowie, Litwini nie maja domieszki nganasanskiej w tym obrebie, co ona.

Jednak owa JK2065 z domieszka nganasanska plasuje sie na PCA z Germanami.

Nie jest to miejscowa osoba z Levänluhta.

Oto scenariusze jej pochodzenia:

Locals or non-locals?
One of the analysed individuals, JK1963/DA238 displayed a 87Sr/86Sr value (0.73049)
consistent with the local baseline as determined by the 87Sr/86Sr values of the water samples
and rodent specimens. Thus this individual likely spent their adolescence in the region. For
the three remaining individuals with 87Sr/86Sr values between 0.71078 and 0.72069, outside
the range of the local baseline, three possible scenarios emerge.
In Scenario 1, they spent their childhood (JK1968/DA234) or adolescence (JK2065/DA236
and JK2067/DA237) in areas where lower bedrock (and bioavailable) 87Sr/86Sr values are
expected, such as the Baltic countries, northern Poland and Germany, southern Sweden, and
Denmark, all underlain predominantly by Phanerozoic sedimentary rocks. For example,
rivers draining the southeasternmost part of Sweden show Sr isotope compositions ranging
from 0.711 to 0.720 (Löfvendahl et al 1990), and baseline 87Sr/86Sr values from 0.707 to
0.712 have been reported for Denmark (Frei and Frei, 2011; Frei and Price, 2012), from
0.709 to 0.720 for Northern Estonia and Saaremaa island (Oras et al. 2016; Price et al. 2016),
and from 0.707 to 0.714 for Poland (Voerkelius et al. 2010; Buko et al., 2013; Gregoricka et
al 2014).
In Scenario 2, they were derived from Finnish terrains further afield. Relatively high 87Sr/86Sr
ratios common for the Precambrian rocks making up the bulk of the Fennoscandian Shield
are expected throughout Finland, and indeed have been observed in Finnish river waters
(0.72226-0.74515; Löfvendahl et al. 1991) and the most prevalent rock types (Kaislaniemi,
2011). However, according to a modeling study by Kaislaniemi (2011) larger areas of
bedrock 87Sr/86Sr values from 0.715 to 0.721 can be expected a few tens of kilometers to the
southeast from Levänluhta. Values below 0.715 occur in small patches some tens of
kilometers from the site, while more extensive areas are located 200-250 km to the east. In
the absence of bioavailable baseline data confirming these hypothesized occurrences of lower
87Sr/86Sr values, it is difficult to estimate the validity of this scenario.
In Scenario 3, these individuals incorporated a varying degree of marine, or – in the case of
the Baltic Sea – brackish water dietary resources. The coast of the Bothnian Sea (=the
northern part of the Baltic Sea, between Sweden and Finland) lay only 25-30 km to the
northwest, and accessible to the Iron Age people of the Levänluhta region via the Kyrönjoki
river. The Sr-isotope composition of the present-day Bothnian Sea is ca. 0.7094-0-7096
(Löfvendahl et al. 1990; Andersson et al., 1992; Widerlund and Andersson, 2006), and
possibly somewhat lower during the Iron Age based on the trend of Late Holocene freshening
of the Baltic Sea (Widerlund and Andersson, 2011). A steady incorporation of Bothnian Sea
resources would result in lower consumer 87Sr/86Sr ratios compared to locals relying on
terrestrial dietary items only.
When combined with the stable isotope (δ13C, δ15N) information in Supplementary Section 3,
suggesting a clear influence of “brackish” dietary items for the same three individuals with
lower, “non-local” 87Sr/86Sr values we find that Scenario 2 might very well be plausible in
their case. This holds true especially for individuals JK1968/DA234 and JK2067/DA237,
with 87Sr/86Sr values relatively closer to the local baseline suggesting mixed use of local
terrestrial and Baltic dietary resources. For individual JA2065/DA236, the low 87Sr/86Sr value
(0.71078) would imply an exceptionally heavy reliance on Baltic Sea resources. The δ13C and
δ15N values of the individual are near comparable (especially considering within-Baltic
latitudinal gradients in δ13C; Torniainen et al. 2017) to the δ13C and δ15N values of a Middle
Neolithic population on the Baltic island of Gotland (Eriksson, 2004) interpreted to have
subsisted primarily on seals.
In summary, the 87Sr/86Sr data suggest, that individual JK1963/DA238 was probably a local
relying on terrestrial foodstuffs, while individuals JK1968/DA234 and JK2067/DA237 might
well have been locals incorporating a component of Baltic sea resources in their diet.
Individual JA2065/DA236 could have been of foreign origin, or a local using almost
exclusively Baltic Sea dietary items.

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QUOTE(NNNNNNNN @ 28/09/2018, 12:25)
Father has some Siberian and East-Central Asian combined with quite high Fennoscandian, and some Scandinavian (North Sea etc). It must shows some Saami. Although those north and East Asian components are on noise level, you don't find them among southern Scandinavians at all.

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Nawet Francuzi maja 0,7% starozytnej domieszki Khanty (SIB2), ktora jest w Europie z czasow S&T. Szwedzi maja 1,3% starozytnej domieszki Khanty (SIB2). Jesli Szwedzi maja 1,3%, lecz Francuzi 0,7%, wiec ci, co mieszkaja miedzy Szwedami i Francuzami (zywiol Germanic), tez beda mieli starozytna domieszke Khanty (SIB2) smile.gif
Dla porownania
Francuzi maja 0,7% starozytnej domieszki Khanty(SIB2).
Estonczycy maja 1,4% starozytnej domieszki Khanty(SIB2).
Szwedzi maja 1,3% starozytnej domieszki Khanty(SIB2).
Turcy maja 0,6% starozytnej domieszki Khanty(SIB2) (mniej niz Francuzi!).
Litwini (zywiol Balto-Slavic) zas nie maja starozytnej domieszki Khanty(SIB2) smile.gif.
Tak wiec to ludy Germanic przyniesli przodkom obecnych Francuzow te starozytna domieszke Khanty(SIB2) smile.gif.

P.S. Oraz Khanty nie wywiedli sie od "Baltow kultury miezowskiej", jak sugeruje znany uzytkownik z Baszkortostanu na Forum Anthrogenetica smile.gif.

Viszontlátásra! smile.gif

Jesli chodzi o starozytna domieszke Khanty, germanojezyczni Szwedzi maja jej jedynie o 0,1% mniej (1,3%), niz finnojezyczni Estonczycy (1,4%).

The alternative scenario is one according to which a group of speakers of Balto-Finnic were in such intensive contact with speakers of Pre-Germanic that they first became bilingual and then switched to Pre-Germanic, which in
the process became Proto-Germanic because those new speakers preserved a Balto-Finnic pronunciation when speaking Pre-Germanic.
We have seen that Verner’s law in Germanic was a copy of Finnic rhythmic gradation and that the Germanic consonant shift may have been triggered by new speakers’ inability to cope with the difference between voiced and voiceless plosives.

So the developments in the consonantal system are by and large in favour of Finnic speakers switching to Germanic. Now let us consider the vowel changes from this perspective: was there anything in the Pre-Germanic and Proto-Germanic vowel systems that Balto-Finnic speakers would have difficulty coping with, so that they could leave a Balto-Finnic accent in Germanic? The answer is a clear no: both the Pre-Germanic and the ProtoGermanic vowel systems are subsets of the larger Finno-Saamic and even larger Balto-Finnic vowel systems. On the basis of their own linguistic background, therefore, Balto-Finnic speakers would have no diffi culty in pronouncing Germanic vowels more or less correctly as native Germanic speakers did. In other words: if Finnic speakers switched to Germanic, the
absence of any noticeable effect on the Germanic vowel system is entirely as expected. This clinches the decision between the two scenarios about the nature of Germanic-Finnic language contact: in all probability, Balto-Finnic
speakers switched to Germanic and introduced a Balto-Finnic accent into Germanic. A Balto-Finnic accent is what defines Germanic: there is no Germanic without a Balto-Finnic accent.


Mysle, ze autosomalnie akurat tak, jak owa JK2065/DA236 wygladala wiekszosc osob, ktorzy przeszli z j.nadbaltansko-finskiego na jezyk, ktory zostal Proto-Germanic - prawie 100% autosomalni Europejczycy, jednak z niewielka domieszka wschodnioazjatycka smile.gif.
Wg takie schematu np utworzyli sie Estonczycy; Finowie maja wieksza domieszke azjatycka niz Estonczycy przez miejscowy saamiopodobny substratum.

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