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In a documet from the year 1576 I found news about the death of "czersarz Przekopski". Could you please give me some information about it? Is "Przekopsko" a Polish name for Persia or a Turkish chanate? [ 2 ]  [50.00%]
With many thanks... (and apologies for not being able to write in Polnish, but you can answer in Polnish I understand it passively) [ 2 ]  [50.00%]
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post 17/09/2007, 12:02 Quote Post

In a documet from the year 1576 I found news about the death of "czersarz Przekopski". Could you please give me some information about it? Is "Przekopsko" a Polish name for Persia or a Turkish chanate?
With many thanks... (and apologies for not being able to write in Polnish, but you can answer in Polnish I understand it passively)
 
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post 17/09/2007, 12:41 Quote Post

QUOTE(kockacz @ 17/09/2007, 12:02)
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czersarz Przekopski- Może chodzi o carzyka tatarskiego z Perekopu na Krymie .Perekop jeśli dobrze pamiętam był twierdzą i mogło chodzić o osobę wodza tatarskiego sprawującego kontrolę na jej okolicami.
 
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post 17/09/2007, 13:33 Quote Post

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"Cersarz Przekopski" is not polish surname but a title which comes from the name of stronghold in Crimean Chanate- "Perekop".

BTW cesarz in polish means emperor.
 
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post 17/09/2007, 13:46 Quote Post

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Cersarz Przekopski" is not surname but a title which comes from the name of stronghold in Turkish Chanate- "Perekop".


It's rather refers to the leader of Perekop Orde, and of course this was Crimean Khanate (not Turkish Khanate)
 
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post 18/09/2007, 15:11 Quote Post

Many many thanks,
so you mean it was probably a local leader of Crimean Turks? I meant the word "czesarz" means a significant, important ruler...

Once moce, thanks for advice
 
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post 18/09/2007, 15:12 Quote Post

Correctly: leader of Crimean Tatars.
I know the difference but made a mistake by writing...
 
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post 18/09/2007, 15:23 Quote Post

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so you mean it was probably a local leader of Crimean Turks (Tatars)? I meant the word "czesarz" means a significant, important ruler...


Crimean Khanate consist of many ordes, so this could not mean a Crimean Khan (Khanate ruler) but just local leader.
 
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post 18/09/2007, 19:10 Quote Post

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Crimean Khanate consist of many ordes, so this could not mean a Crimean Khan (Khanate ruler) but just local leader.

I have to disagree - the word "cesarz" implies very important person, and the only time I've seen similar contruction - "car perekopski" - it meant Crimean Khan.
 
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post 18/09/2007, 21:38 Quote Post

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I have to disagree - the word "cesarz" implies very important person, and the only time I've seen similar contruction - "car perekopski" - it meant Crimean Khan.


It's possible, I forgot that especially on Ukraine Crimean Khan was often called the Tsar of Perekop..

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Toie że oseni, z naprawy welikoho kniazia moskowskoho Mendy-Kirey, car perekopski, posłał syna swojeho Achmat-Kirey sołtana so innymi detmi swoimi y z mnohimi siłami tatarskimi


Mendy Kirey = Mengli Girey I (Khan of Crimea)
 
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post 19/09/2007, 11:14 Quote Post

Once more many thanks.
Then the writer of the hand-written newspapers have to mean Devlet I Girey.
When did he die? I meant in 1577.
But this newspaper should be from summer 1576. Then the archivar made a mistake by dating this document to the year 1576...
 
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post 20/09/2007, 21:22 Quote Post

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Then the writer of the hand-written newspapers have to mean Devlet I Girey.
When did he die? I meant in 1577.But this newspaper should be from summer 1576. Then the archivar made a mistake by dating this document to the year 1576...


Yes, Devlet Girey died of plague in the end of June 1577...so your explanation about archiver mistake seems to be resonable.
 
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post 21/09/2007, 7:40 Quote Post

Thank all of you heartily for answers.
They really helped me by reading this hand-written newspaper from 16th-century Poland.
Jeste jednou moc diky :-)
 
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